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Butlin's Photographic Services Limited
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Butlin’s Photographic Services was a joint venture between Butlin’s and one of the companies within the Ilford Group. I would like to hear from anybody that worked as a photographer or in the…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Nettie Edwards Nov 29, 2012.

The Developing and Printing Trade

Did any member of this forum work in the developing and printing trade? Some companies diversified into specialist services to professional photographers like John Slater Photography Ltd of Newmarket…Continue

Started Oct 2, 2012

Seaside Photographers
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I am interested in commercial seaside photography, beach photographers, comic head-through photographs and walking photographs know by those in the trade as “walkies.” I was born in Great Yarmouth…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Gavin Maitland Oct 18, 2012.

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Paul Godfrey commented on Karen Shepherdson's blog post SEAS Photography website goes live
"Congratulations Karen on getting the web sit up an running. Looking forward to seeing more images as they are added. Best wishes Paul."
Apr 4
Paul Godfrey commented on pete.boswell's blog post Hills & Saunders Photographers
"Hills and Saunders are listed in Kelly's Cambridge 1929 and 1937 trade directories with an address of 19 King's Parade. Not much I know but at least you know someone has read your posting. Best wishes Paul."
Mar 16
Paul Godfrey replied to Gavin Maitland's discussion Seaside Tintypes:
"Lynette, There is an old book published in the 1950s called "The Magic Box" by Ernest Pendrigh. This is an autobiography of an Australian who seeks his fortune in the UK as a ferrotype street photographer. Nothing technical in this but it…"
Mar 11
Paul Godfrey commented on Karen Shepherdson's photo
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Sunbeam 'Walkies' Seaside Photography

"It's good to see discussion about commercial seaside photography. The forgotten end of professional photographic work. These people were just earning a living at the time and it's good to see their contribution acknowledged. I hope those…"
Feb 24
Karen Shepherdson left a comment for Paul Godfrey
"Hello Dear Paul, At last I am connecting with BPH and to my delight with you. SEAS Photography is now underway, busy archiving the Sunbeam Collection - it is sheer joy! Our website hopefully goes live next month and activities begin in ernest from…"
Feb 24
Paul Godfrey commented on Michael Pritchard's blog post Anniversaries in 2013
"Jack Howard Roy Coote FRPS FBKS. Died June 1993. http://www.greatyarmouthphotographic.co.uk/ilfordltd/page23.html"
Jan 11
Paul Godfrey commented on Michael Pritchard's blog post Anniversaries in 2013
"Harold White FRPS, British Council photographer and biographer of William Henry Fox Talbot died on the 1st March 1983 in Great Yarmouth. 30th anniversary. http://www.greatyarmouthphotographic.co.uk/haroldwhite"
Jan 9
Paul Godfrey replied to Robert Gray's discussion Sims Brothers - Photographers
"My researches into seaside photographers have turned up Havard Sims of 34 Marine Terrace, Margate. He appears to trade as a beach photographer as Uncle Sims. Have found him listed in 1929 and 1936 Kelly's directory for Thanet. Only a thought.…"
Jan 1
Nettie Edwards replied to Paul Godfrey's discussion Butlin's Photographic Services Limited
"Hello! I believe that my father did. I will speak with him today and check!"
Nov 29, 2012
Paul Godfrey posted a discussion

Butlin's Photographic Services Limited

Butlin’s Photographic Services was a joint venture between Butlin’s and one of the companies within the Ilford Group. I would like to hear from anybody that worked as a photographer or in the darkrooms for BPS. walkiephotos@yahoo.co.ukSee More
Nov 10, 2012
Gavin Maitland replied to Paul Godfrey's discussion Seaside Photographers
"Hi Roger, welcome to the wonderful world of Seaside photography. I am interested in Tintypes pref from Scotland and would love to see anything in your collection. Best, Gavin. "
Oct 18, 2012
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The Developing and Printing Trade

Did any member of this forum work in the developing and printing trade? Some companies diversified into specialist services to professional photographers like John Slater Photography Ltd of Newmarket with their Colorlabs International subsidiary.Do you remember the Kenprinter? This was made by an Ilford Ltd subsidiary called Kennington and Bourlet Ltd who are bizarrely not mentioned in "Silver By The Ton" the history of Ilford Ltd. Have a look at :-…See More
Oct 3, 2012
Paul Godfrey posted a discussion

The Developing and Printing Trade

Did any member of this forum work in the developing and printing trade? Some companies diversified into specialist services to professional photographers like John Slater Photography Ltd of Newmarket with their Colorlabs International subsidiary.Do you remember the Kenprinter? This was made by an Ilford Ltd subsidiary called Kennington and Bourlet Ltd who are bizarrely not mentioned in "Silver By The Ton" the history of Ilford Ltd. Have a look at :-…See More
Oct 2, 2012
Terence Baggett left a comment for Paul Godfrey
"Paul, hi.  I hope you have received the group photo I sent (as per direction). I'll try to answer your queries on darkroom/processing as well as I can but bulk processing was not my field and I realise I may have mislead you slightly…"
Aug 28, 2012
Roger Mead replied to Paul Godfrey's discussion Seaside Photographers
"Paul, I will have a look through my collection for pictures taken in your area. I am going away on holiday so I am afraid it will be in a couple of weeks time. Regards   Roger   "
Aug 27, 2012
Paul Godfrey replied to Paul Godfrey's discussion Seaside Photographers
"Roger, Many thanks for this. The main cut and thrust of my research is about photographers in this area (Lowestoft and Great Yarmouth), Barkers of Great Yarmouth were very much a seasonal business but in the early 50s a small core of employees…"
Aug 27, 2012

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At 10:51 on February 24, 2013, Karen Shepherdson said…

Hello Dear Paul,

At last I am connecting with BPH and to my delight with you. SEAS Photography is now underway, busy archiving the Sunbeam Collection - it is sheer joy! Our website hopefully goes live next month and activities begin in ernest from this summer. We will of course keep you posted.

So lovely to find your message on a grey Sunday morning.

K

At 10:34 on August 28, 2012, Terence Baggett said…

Paul, hi.  I hope you have received the group photo I sent (as per direction).

I'll try to answer your queries on darkroom/processing as well as I can but bulk processing was not my field and I realise I may have mislead you slightly already.

The size of print I am able to take from a few examples I still have.  The picture is a little under 60x80mm on card that is a little under 70x90mm.  These were printed 3-up on a strip and cut with a guillotine in the kiosk when sold.

I think, on reflection, that Chambers referred to the printer as an Enprinter and not a Kenprinter as I mistakenly reported and the prints were called enprints although these names are similar enough to get me confused.  The numbers were printed on the strip, almost certainly during printing but I don't know if the developing was done inside the machine or in the large tanks that surrounded the printer. The paper/card is thicker than my later colour photos, so could be double weight. Chambers used a glazer drum to dry not glaze - reverse side down on the heated drum - before being cut into strips of 3 prints; so I know the prints were processed on a long roll of paper. they were processed in a similar way to the negatives (rolled on a spindle separated by a plastic strip of the same size). I saw them in their final process when I went across the road to change/cut film.

I know that the mix in the tanks was around 5-10% stronger than as directed and the development temperature was a little high; this speeded up the processing and the increased grain was not noticeable.  With up to 9 camera operators each taking 800-1,000 shots per day the processing had to be fast to meet set times for customers to get their pics.

I remember the smells well.  The chemicals were not particularly dangerous but the developer and the hypo had very distinctive smell and I remember with more concern a tub of bromide, although not sure what John used it for except to scare us young men.  We (camera men) always jokingly moaned about Olive making tea only for John until one morning when we went to the studio to get our film cut, we were met with a cup of tea each. "Don't worry, I've put in the milk, sugar, etc." said John,  On the table next to the cups was a bottle of milk, a sugar bowl and the pot of bromide.  None took the risk or asked for tea again.

I can't remember the name of the Bournemouth firm, unfortunately although both names have a familiar ring ("Bailey" for obvious reasons)

At 19:15 on August 18, 2012, Terence Baggett said…

Paul, hope this is of interest.

Yes, the 250 was a pleasure to use.  The lens was excellent and with Ilford's FP3 file grain film, the image was crisp; capable of a very big blow-up.  The film cartridges were perfect for the sandy beach conditions and never scratched the negatives.  Although the controls on the 250 look fiddly now, it was simple and quick to use with practice, even if you did have to use a match to change aperture.  With the large volume of shots we took, we could all take well positioned walkie shots without even looking through the tiny viewfinder.  A real case of "feel the force".  I still find that the informal "shooting from the hip" produces the best shots and best catches the moment, even with today's digital auto-everything nonsense (I now need 15min to look up the manual to be able to override the auto stuff when I used to make a near instant adjustment).

Chambers made a tradition of taking a group photo of the team each year.  I still have one, taken in front of the Kiosk around 1967??.  Would like a scan of this?  If so how could I get it to the forum?

I like your schedule of beach photographers.  One correction: Chambers did not do postcard prints; they sold triplicate prints 3-up B&W portrait on a landscape sheet with nothing printed on the back, except the serial number.  Their darkroom was in the basement of a row of shops opposite King George III statue with the Kiosk on the other side of the statue, on the prom.  Chambers must have had around 9 250s, maybe more, all black.

Chambers did have a Kenprinter, printing on rolls of paper.  The finished prints were not glazed.  I did not use the Kenprinter (a printer was employed) but rainy days were, for us camera operators, darkroom days: printing the backlog of enlargements.

There were many firms taking walkies in Weymouth. Chambers was the only firm that had a long record from 1920, unbroken except for WW2.  The beach was available for licence in 2 parts and Chambers always had the larger southern part and some years had both parts.  A firm called Meeches occasionally had the lesser north part, from the Jubilee Clock to Greenhill with a Kiosk near the clock and darkroom in on the the beach facing Georgian terraces.  I worked on that pitch for 2 years before joining Chambers although this was for different companies, both were colour and with glazed prints (heat glazing prints near sand is a bad idea); one was a local photography shop trying its hand and the other was a Bournemouth beach photography company trying to expand.  Neither lasted more than one year and neither used leicas.

There were other pitches in the town, away from the beach: 

  • On the exit to the fairground on the opposite side of the swanery there was one licensed pitch - a lone cameraman and kiosk; he had cut-out look-through boards which we did not on the beach front. 
  • On the main side of the swanery, where boats could be hired and on the adjacent pleasure gardens, an unlicensed photographer operated.  He was an ageing flash character, lost in time - zoot suite, wide colourful tie and thin moustache.  Despite his spivy appearance I really liked the guy.  I was told he once worked for Meeches when they operated on the beach.
  • Then there were the unwanted unlicensed heavies from the city, who would occasionally plague the town until we could get rid of them.

 

 
 
 

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