William England Stereographs

[Hartmut Wettmann]

http://www.fotoplatz.stereographie.de/wme/
http://www.fotoplatz.stereographie.de/stwrld-WmE/

Does anyone know, where I can find stereographs of William England's stereograph Number 32 - title unknown (Serie 'The Rhine and its Vicinity)?
Original would be great - scan is also welcome.

[Ken Jacobson]

By coincidence, I have been looking at these recently. I have a 'sample' album of stereo halves by England. No. 32 is 'Chamonix, Savoie'. It shows a man in the foreground with a small bridge and large buildings of the town. I can try to scan it when I have time.
How are you at identifying geographical locations- I'm particularly looking to identify some waterfalls that might be either in Chamonix or Switzerland? Thanks.

[Graham Wood]

Hello Ken
The view you have is from William England's series of Switzerland , he produced seperate series of Italy , Switzerland , The Rhine & the Tyrol - The Swiss views obviously sold well and the series is a long one , the earlier cards in particular are fairly common - the other series are rather more difficult to come across - If the Waterfalls you mention are from W England negatives from the sample album i may be able to help as i have a reasonable collection of W England stereoviews to reference them with
Graham Wood

[Hartmut Wettmann]

The serie 'The Rhine and it's Vicinity' is published in 1867 (AFTER WmE's time as chefphotographer at LSC)
Please excuse mistakes - my english is not very good.

http://www.fotoplatz.stereographie.de/wme/

Hartmut Wettmann, Berlin

[Ken Jacobson]

Sorry. Just as I was writing this earlier today, I realised the Rhine & Its vicinity might be another series. I have some of these but not many, I'm afraid. Graham, the waterfalls to identify are earlier than W. England. The ones in my sample album are all identified. Thanks.

[Bill Becker]

Hartmut, sorry I can't help with #32 but I thought I would share a non-stereo image from William England's Rhine series. These are about the same size as a stereo, but with a single wide image. Perhaps he used his stereo camera with a wide-angle lens?
I only have a few of these. A couple are on the original mounts. The attached image is not -- the title is "Mayence."
What's interesting to me is the strength of the compositions -- the photographs that I've seen from this series are very rigorously composed, quite sharp, and the prints have beautiful tones.

[Hartmut Wettmann]

Thank you. I have almoust the same:

http://britishphotohistory.ning.com/photo/william-england-panorama-...

Mayence, barrels and WmE himself (?)

I believe in 1867 he used two different cameras (one stereo, one 'normal' one lense)

I still hope, that the # 32 will be found one day :-)

Bill Becker said:

Hartmut, sorry I can't help with #32 but I thought I would share a non-stereo image from William England's Rhine series. These are about the same size as a stereo, but with a single wide image. Perhaps he used his stereo camera with a wide-angle lens?
I only have a few of these. A couple are on the original mounts. The attached image is not -- the title is "Mayence."
What's interesting to me is the strength of the compositions -- the photographs that I've seen from this series are very rigorously composed, quite sharp, and the prints have beautiful tones.

[Peter Blair]

Hi Ken
I have a fairly large collection of views of the Chamonix valley and may be able to identify your waterfalls if you can attach a scan
regards
Peter

Ken Jacobson said:

By coincidence, I have been looking at these recently. I have a 'sample' album of stereo halves by England. No. 32 is 'Chamonix, Savoie'. It shows a man in the foreground with a small bridge and large buildings of the town. I can try to scan it when I have time.
How are you at identifying geographical locations- I'm particularly looking to identify some waterfalls that might be either in Chamonix or Switzerland? Thanks.

[Peter Blair]

Bill

I would just like to comment that the Alpine Club has an album of England's 1863 Swiss tour (which I suppose was why he could claim "under the patronage of the Alpine Club" for this series). It contains 24 larger format views as well as 126 stereo halves. So his use of two formats was something that predates the Rhine series.

I would also like to ask the question if anyone knows what became of England's negatives? I believe that the Eastman Kodak collection has his LSC negatives of the North American series - but what of the later Swiss and Rhine series?

thanks for any insights
Peter Blair

Bill Becker said:

Hartmut, sorry I can't help with #32 but I thought I would share a non-stereo image from William England's Rhine series. These are about the same size as a stereo, but with a single wide image. Perhaps he used his stereo camera with a wide-angle lens?
I only have a few of these. A couple are on the original mounts. The attached image is not -- the title is "Mayence."
What's interesting to me is the strength of the compositions -- the photographs that I've seen from this series are very rigorously composed, quite sharp, and the prints have beautiful tones.

[Sarah McDonald]

Hello Peter, Getty Images holds the surviving negative collections for WE's American, Paris and Irish views and also the International Exhibition of 1862 and Dublin 1863, as part of our holdings of London Stereoscopic Company's archives. However we do not have later negatives after he left LSC's employ in 1863. Best wishes, Sarah

Peter Blair said:

Bill

I would just like to comment that the Alpine Club has an album of England's 1863 Swiss tour (which I suppose was why he could claim "under the patronage of the Alpine Club" for this series). It contains 24 larger format views as well as 126 stereo halves. So his use of two formats was something that predates the Rhine series.

I would also like to ask the question if anyone knows what became of England's negatives? I believe that the Eastman Kodak collection has his LSC negatives of the North American series - but what of the later Swiss and Rhine series?

thanks for any insights
Peter Blair

Bill Becker said:

Hartmut, sorry I can't help with #32 but I thought I would share a non-stereo image from William England's Rhine series. These are about the same size as a stereo, but with a single wide image. Perhaps he used his stereo camera with a wide-angle lens?
I only have a few of these. A couple are on the original mounts. The attached image is not -- the title is "Mayence."
What's interesting to me is the strength of the compositions -- the photographs that I've seen from this series are very rigorously composed, quite sharp, and the prints have beautiful tones.

[Muriel Morris]

The man in the Mayence photo is Louis England, not William, who usually wore a full beard. Louis was William and Rosalie's eldest son and, like Rosalie, frequently was commandeered as "foreground interest."
William England was my great great grandfather.
Muriel in Chilliwack

[John Bradley]

As we are discussing William England's appearance, I recently added a photograph of him as he appeared at the PCUK meeting in Derby in 1886. You will find this, and a partial key to the photograph in 'my photos'.

Muriel Morris said:

The man in the Mayence photo is Louis England, not William, who usually wore a full beard. Louis was William and Rosalie's eldest son and, like Rosalie, frequently was commandeered as "foreground interest."
William England was my great great grandfather.
Muriel in Chilliwack

[Hartmut Wettmann]

here:

http://www.fotoplatz.stereographie.de/WmE1867Pers/

you can find scans of the persons in WmE's 'The rhine and it's Vicinity' (1867)

Hartmut Wettmann, Berlin

John Bradley said:

As we are discussing William England's appearance, I recently added a photograph of him as he appeared at the PCUK meeting in Derby in 1886. You will find this, and a partial key to the photograph in 'my photos'.

Muriel Morris said:

The man in the Mayence photo is Louis England, not William, who usually wore a full beard. Louis was William and Rosalie's eldest son and, like Rosalie, frequently was commandeered as "foreground interest."
William England was my great great grandfather.
Muriel in Chilliwack